. >> jay carney said today, if you like your plan but it's a crummy plan you can't keep your plan. everyone is making excuses. >> first of all this idea that you are saying people's plans are crummy is patronizing. second of all thfdz a lie barack obama and democrats sold to the american people. they knew if they sold it to them they would lose their health insurance it would be replaced by a plan they were doubling or crippling it wouldn't have passed. if they told the truth it would have never happened. >> that's key. kirsten. >> the reason why we were sold this is because for a lot of people in the obama administration and democrats believed the end justified the means. so their means are good. they have good intentions. yes, we need a better healthcare system in this country. i am a conservative. i believe that. we need healthcare reform. we need insurance reform coupled with tort reform. people are afraid of change. >> senator, you have lived this life. >> let me tell you, i have lived it, and i afused it as well. this is one of the great abuses. it dem crates the old cliche,